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    May 19, 2025
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    • 00:06Welcome to Yale Cancer Answers
    • 00:08with the director of the
    • 00:09Yale Cancer Center, Doctor Eric
    • 00:11Winer.
    • 00:12Yale Cancer Answers features conversations
    • 00:15with oncologists
    • 00:16and specialists who are on
    • 00:17the forefront of the battle
    • 00:18to fight cancer.
    • 00:20This week, it's a conversation
    • 00:21about the care of patients
    • 00:23with urologic cancers with doctor
    • 00:25Preston Sprenkle.
    • 00:26Doctor Sprenkle is an associate
    • 00:28professor of urology at the
    • 00:29Yale School of Medicine.
    • 00:31Here's doctor Winer.
    • 00:35Why don't we start off
    • 00:37just hearing a little bit
    • 00:39about you
    • 00:41and how you got interested
    • 00:42in urologic cancers.
    • 00:45So I trained in urology
    • 00:48residency in New York and
    • 00:51was really impressed with the
    • 00:53complexity
    • 00:54of urologic
    • 00:56cancers and
    • 00:58the challenges that we face
    • 01:00when treating them.
    • 01:02I think it was
    • 01:04a lot of basic science,
    • 01:06the integration of science
    • 01:07in clinical medicine,
    • 01:09and,
    • 01:11really
    • 01:13how we were able to
    • 01:14try to integrate all these
    • 01:17complex technical issues with
    • 01:20patient care and
    • 01:21helping patients
    • 01:23and especially men with prostate
    • 01:25cancer
    • 01:26understand their diagnosis and make
    • 01:28good treatment decisions.
    • 01:30Since being at Yale,
    • 01:32this has grown from starting
    • 01:34an MRI
    • 01:36ultrasound fusion prostate biopsy program
    • 01:38to really be more accurate
    • 01:40in the way that we
    • 01:40diagnose prostate cancer,
    • 01:42limit
    • 01:43the number of men who
    • 01:45have to have a prostate
    • 01:46biopsy by using that
    • 01:48imaging.
    • 01:49And now
    • 01:51we've transitioned that
    • 01:53into
    • 01:54more precise treatments with prostate
    • 01:56cancer ablation therapies.
    • 01:58And we'll drill down
    • 01:59on some of those.
    • 02:02As a breast cancer doctor,
    • 02:03I often think of prostate
    • 02:05cancer as
    • 02:08the men's equivalent
    • 02:09of postmenopausal
    • 02:11breast cancer.
    • 02:12And I think it is
    • 02:14in a number of ways,
    • 02:15and one of those ways
    • 02:17is that prostate cancer isn't
    • 02:18just one disease.
    • 02:20It's really a range of
    • 02:22different diseases that
    • 02:24can vary from those that are
    • 02:27remarkably
    • 02:28slow growing
    • 02:30to those that are more
    • 02:31aggressive.
    • 02:32Can you just
    • 02:33talk a little bit about,
    • 02:35first, maybe the very slow
    • 02:37growing prostate cancers and
    • 02:40what does and doesn't have
    • 02:41to be done in terms
    • 02:42of treatment for some men?
    • 02:44Yeah. Thank you for
    • 02:45that question.
    • 02:47There's a tremendous
    • 02:50almost rainbow
    • 02:51of ways that we
    • 02:53interpret and manage prostate cancers,
    • 02:56a tremendous breadth. So low
    • 02:58grade prostate cancer, there is
    • 03:00an ongoing international discussion about
    • 03:03whether or not we should
    • 03:04be calling it prostate cancer
    • 03:05because it seems to have
    • 03:07such a low
    • 03:10likelihood of ever causing a
    • 03:12man's death that we follow
    • 03:14those routinely with something called
    • 03:16active surveillance.
    • 03:18It does not require treatment.
    • 03:21We monitor it closely so
    • 03:22that we can pick up
    • 03:23early if
    • 03:25it is one of those
    • 03:26very rare cases that
    • 03:27has the potential or will
    • 03:29behave more aggressively in the
    • 03:30future.
    • 03:32So that used to
    • 03:33be about half or more
    • 03:35than half of the prostate
    • 03:36cancers that we would diagnose
    • 03:38with now usage of better
    • 03:40screening techniques, including this MRI
    • 03:42imaging for the prostate.
    • 03:45At most academic centers, it's
    • 03:47now closer to about a
    • 03:48third. So we've been able
    • 03:49to avoid doing prostate biopsies
    • 03:52and diagnosing
    • 03:53these low grade cancers in
    • 03:54about a quarter of the
    • 03:55men that we used
    • 03:56to diagnose it in.
    • 03:58And I'm sure that
    • 04:00even when someone's told that
    • 04:01they have
    • 04:03low grade prostate cancer and
    • 04:04it's unlikely to cause their
    • 04:06death, it still causes some
    • 04:08amount of distress.
    • 04:10Definitely.
    • 04:11And that's one of
    • 04:13the largest challenges that we
    • 04:14have is how to
    • 04:17reassure these men
    • 04:18who have all of a
    • 04:19sudden gotten this cancer diagnosis
    • 04:21that this is not something
    • 04:23that is dangerous to them
    • 04:25and that in many cases,
    • 04:28the management or a treatment
    • 04:30for this prostate cancer
    • 04:32is probably worse than the
    • 04:34disease itself. And that is
    • 04:35one of the major challenges
    • 04:36that we have in
    • 04:37managing
    • 04:39prostate cancer.
    • 04:40Yeah. Well, here again is
    • 04:41the parallel with breast
    • 04:43cancer where
    • 04:46we recognize that for some
    • 04:47patients, we need new and
    • 04:49better therapies, and there are
    • 04:50still people who die of
    • 04:52breast cancer in much the
    • 04:53same way there are people
    • 04:55who die from prostate cancer.
    • 04:57But then there's a large
    • 04:58population where we need to
    • 05:00figure out
    • 05:01how we can do less
    • 05:03and achieve the same outcomes.
    • 05:05So when you're identifying
    • 05:07these patients who have
    • 05:10low grade prostate cancer, you
    • 05:12still use
    • 05:14a Gleason score?
    • 05:16And you wanna talk about
    • 05:17that a little bit?
    • 05:18We do. So the Gleason
    • 05:21scoring system has evolved somewhat.
    • 05:24We're now using
    • 05:25a Gleason grade grouping
    • 05:27system because
    • 05:29the historical Gleason score sort
    • 05:31of went from two to
    • 05:32ten, but
    • 05:34we only considered things of
    • 05:36a six or higher to
    • 05:37be cancer.
    • 05:38But intuitively, a six out
    • 05:40of ten seems bad. And
    • 05:41so even though that's the
    • 05:43lowest
    • 05:44grade.
    • 05:47So a concerted effort by
    • 05:49the International Society of Urologic
    • 05:50Pathology,
    • 05:51they regraded it or rebranded
    • 05:53it as a grade group
    • 05:54one through five. So now
    • 05:55we're on a five point
    • 05:56scale. A one out of
    • 05:58five is much more intuitively
    • 05:59kind of low risk and
    • 06:00low
    • 06:01grade. But there still is,
    • 06:03and there is actually an
    • 06:04effort
    • 06:06underway to reevaluate
    • 06:08Gleason, especially now that we
    • 06:09have a lot more genomic
    • 06:11information about prostate cancer.
    • 06:13There are efforts underway
    • 06:15to reevaluate that.
    • 06:17And is a Gleason six
    • 06:18the equivalent now of a one?
    • 06:20That is correct. Yep.
    • 06:21So grade group one is
    • 06:22a Gleason six. Grade group
    • 06:24two is a Gleason three
    • 06:26plus four equals seven. And
    • 06:27that was the other confusing
    • 06:28thing is you had a
    • 06:29three plus four equals seven
    • 06:30and a four plus three
    • 06:31equals seven. Those are now
    • 06:32grades one, two, and three.
    • 06:34So it's a little bit
    • 06:35more clear
    • 06:37for us to be able
    • 06:38to communicate.
    • 06:44Gleason six, or the new one, is
    • 06:48where you're very often
    • 06:50talking about active surveillance?
    • 06:53Correct.
    • 06:54All of the guidelines internationally
    • 06:56at this point for grade
    • 06:57group one or Gleason six
    • 06:59recommend active surveillance. They recommend
    • 07:01against treatment. And that is
    • 07:03because
    • 07:04the data suggests a greater
    • 07:06than ninety nine percent fifteen
    • 07:08year survival without any intervention
    • 07:11for men with the
    • 07:13grade group one prostate cancer.
    • 07:15So some of us are
    • 07:17very
    • 07:18adamant about not treating anyone
    • 07:20with Gleason six or grade
    • 07:21group one disease.
    • 07:23And as we've gained more
    • 07:24experience, we've actually expanded that
    • 07:25to a large percentage of
    • 07:26men with grade group two
    • 07:28prostate cancer
    • 07:29where we monitor them closely
    • 07:31but do not require initial
    • 07:32treatment.
    • 07:33And, of course, the reason
    • 07:35that you wanna try to
    • 07:36avoid treatment is there are
    • 07:38consequences.
    • 07:39And maybe this is a
    • 07:40good time for you to
    • 07:41just touch on
    • 07:43some of the problems that
    • 07:45arise after either
    • 07:47surgery
    • 07:47or radiation for prostate cancer.
    • 07:52You're
    • 07:52absolutely right. There are kind
    • 07:53of two main reasons not
    • 07:55to treat men with these
    • 07:56low and intermediate risk cancers.
    • 07:57One is we know that
    • 07:58it's not dangerous as we
    • 08:00are talking about. There now
    • 08:01are randomized clinical trials that
    • 08:03show really minimal or no
    • 08:05survival benefit to treating men
    • 08:06with low and intermediate risk
    • 08:08prostate cancer with fifteen and
    • 08:10even twenty years of follow-up.
    • 08:11In addition to the survival
    • 08:13safety,
    • 08:14any treatments that we perform
    • 08:16have significant or can have
    • 08:19significant quality of life impact.
    • 08:21So typically because of the
    • 08:22location of the prostate being
    • 08:24in the middle of the
    • 08:25pelvis, it's near the rectum,
    • 08:27it's near the bladder. The
    • 08:28urethra passes through the prostate.
    • 08:31So this is gonna impact
    • 08:32potentially a man's urinary function,
    • 08:34so their ability to hold
    • 08:35their urine, their sexual function,
    • 08:37their ability to get an
    • 08:38erection or ejaculate,
    • 08:40and also bowel function potentially
    • 08:42in like diarrhea or other
    • 08:44problems.
    • 08:46Surgery is most commonly associated
    • 08:48with urinary incontinence.
    • 08:50Radiation therapy
    • 08:52has significant concern for sort
    • 08:54of bowel dysfunction or
    • 08:57bowel function disruption.
    • 08:59And in terms of erectile
    • 09:02dysfunction, that's with both surgery
    • 09:04and radiation or
    • 09:06more surgery?
    • 09:09We're starting to get into
    • 09:10the details, which is great,
    • 09:11but it in large
    • 09:12part depends on
    • 09:13where the cancer is located.
    • 09:15So surgery
    • 09:16can be done where we
    • 09:17try to preserve the nerves
    • 09:18that are related to sexual
    • 09:20function,
    • 09:21but that depends largely on
    • 09:22if the cancer is near
    • 09:23those nerves. A primary goal
    • 09:26of treatment is to get
    • 09:27the cancer out.
    • 09:28And this is so called nerve sparing
    • 09:30prostatectomy?
    • 09:31Exactly. So with a
    • 09:33nerve sparing prostatectomy,
    • 09:36that is pretty equivalent in
    • 09:38terms of impact on sexual
    • 09:39function to radiation when we
    • 09:41look out to five years
    • 09:42and beyond. Before five years,
    • 09:44there's less impact with radiation,
    • 09:46but probably more impact with
    • 09:47surgery.
    • 09:48The issue is if you
    • 09:49start to have cancer where
    • 09:50we have to remove the
    • 09:51nerve bundles with surgery,
    • 09:53that has a much greater
    • 09:54negative impact on erectile function.
    • 09:56And that in part
    • 09:58is why there's a
    • 09:59growing interest in therapies like
    • 10:01ablation therapies for prostate cancer,
    • 10:04where now that we
    • 10:05have this great imaging and
    • 10:07ability to do targeted biopsy
    • 10:09of the prostate, we can
    • 10:10actually localize the cancers within
    • 10:11the prostate,
    • 10:13and we can now, with
    • 10:14some of these ablation technologies,
    • 10:16localize and treat the area
    • 10:18with the prostate cancer
    • 10:19and leave the rest of
    • 10:20the prostate alone.
    • 10:21Is that, on average, a much
    • 10:22lower rate of sexual dysfunction,
    • 10:25much lower rate of urinary
    • 10:27incontinence and bowel dysfunction
    • 10:29compared to surgery and radiation?
    • 10:31So this now opens up
    • 10:33the area of better tools
    • 10:36we have for both diagnosing
    • 10:38and treating.
    • 10:41And what's changed in terms of
    • 10:43diagnosis?
    • 10:44The biggest
    • 10:46change was
    • 10:47the more widespread adoption of
    • 10:50prostate MRI. So around two
    • 10:52thousand ten, two thousand twelve,
    • 10:54we began to really see
    • 10:56an uptick
    • 10:57globally in the utilization of
    • 10:59prostate MRI.
    • 11:00At that point, it was
    • 11:01largely done in very specialized
    • 11:03centers. We are very fortunate
    • 11:04at Yale to have very
    • 11:06experienced
    • 11:07radiologists who are focused on
    • 11:08prostate MRI.
    • 11:09It is now more widely
    • 11:11accepted and is
    • 11:13done broadly.
    • 11:14There still is dramatic variation
    • 11:17in the quality of prostate
    • 11:18MRI that's completed, but that
    • 11:19has really shifted the playing
    • 11:20field for us over the
    • 11:22last decade because it allows
    • 11:23us, like you mentioned earlier,
    • 11:24to be able to see
    • 11:25inside the prostate,
    • 11:27see where lesions are, and
    • 11:28more accurately diagnose
    • 11:31the cancer. So by putting
    • 11:32needles into the lesion, we're
    • 11:34much more accurate with our
    • 11:36biopsies,
    • 11:37and we know
    • 11:38what is there with more
    • 11:39confidence.
    • 11:40And does MRI and I
    • 11:42think you were mentioning this
    • 11:43before, does MRI help you
    • 11:45decide not to do biopsies
    • 11:47at times?
    • 11:48It does. Correct. So the
    • 11:50the major screening tool remains
    • 11:53a PSA blood test. So
    • 11:54that is our primary screening
    • 11:56tool
    • 11:56that is recommended but
    • 11:58the guidelines vary. It's a
    • 12:00shared decision making, so deciding
    • 12:02whether or not a man
    • 12:03wants to be screened.
    • 12:04But in general, that conversation
    • 12:06should happen starting around age
    • 12:08fifty to fifty five,
    • 12:10and that usually is a
    • 12:11PSA blood test. For people
    • 12:13with a first degree relative,
    • 12:14we would
    • 12:16suggest considering earlier prostate cancer
    • 12:18screening.
    • 12:19And in terms of
    • 12:22more accurately diagnosing the cancer,
    • 12:25these MRIs help that as
    • 12:26well so that if you're
    • 12:28planning to do a biopsy,
    • 12:30you can do it more
    • 12:31accurately with the use of
    • 12:32MRI.
    • 12:34Correct, the MRI allows us to look
    • 12:35inside the prostate. We can
    • 12:37see where a lesion is.
    • 12:38We can then
    • 12:39typically, have a 3D
    • 12:40modeling where we combine
    • 12:42the MRI with our real
    • 12:44time ultrasound. It allows us
    • 12:45to guide the needles for
    • 12:46a more accurate
    • 12:48biopsy.
    • 12:49And finally, before we take
    • 12:50just a a brief break,
    • 12:53I mentioned earlier that there
    • 12:55are more than two hundred
    • 12:56and fifty thousand cases,
    • 12:57but,
    • 12:59many of those are, of
    • 13:00course,
    • 13:01cases where
    • 13:02a man's life is not
    • 13:04threatened.
    • 13:06How many cases of prostate
    • 13:08cancer are there where you're
    • 13:09more worried
    • 13:11about
    • 13:12the potential impact on survival?
    • 13:15For that matter, how many
    • 13:16deaths a year?
    • 13:18Yes. So that is
    • 13:19a very good question. I
    • 13:20mean, I don't know the
    • 13:22exact number of deaths off
    • 13:23the top of my head.
    • 13:24It is pretty significant, though.
    • 13:25The last number I recall
    • 13:26was around probably twenty seven
    • 13:28thousand.
    • 13:30It is a percentage of
    • 13:31of the men who were
    • 13:32diagnosed.
    • 13:33It's really those with metastatic
    • 13:35prostate cancer that
    • 13:37we really worry about.
    • 13:38And that's why screening and
    • 13:40early detection is really, really
    • 13:42important. Finding this cancer before
    • 13:44its metastatic
    • 13:45allows us to intervene.
    • 13:48And in
    • 13:50many, many, of those
    • 13:51men, we can prevent the
    • 13:52development of metastatic disease. So,
    • 13:54again, a disease where sometimes
    • 13:57it's just very slow growing
    • 13:59and sometimes
    • 14:00more aggressive and still
    • 14:02a disease that
    • 14:04threatens quite a number of
    • 14:05people's lives. Well, we're gonna
    • 14:07take just a brief
    • 14:08break and we'll be back
    • 14:10and continue our discussion about
    • 14:12prostate cancer with doctor Preston
    • 14:14Sprenkle.
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    • 15:32Good evening again. This is
    • 15:34Eric Winer with Yale Cancer
    • 15:35Answers. I'm joined tonight by
    • 15:37doctor Preston Sprenkle, a urologic
    • 15:40oncologist
    • 15:42and an associate professor in
    • 15:43urology here at Yale School
    • 15:45of Medicine.
    • 15:47We've been talking about prostate
    • 15:48cancer. We're gonna move on
    • 15:49and talk a little bit
    • 15:50about testicular cancer in just
    • 15:52a few minutes.
    • 15:53But, before we leave the
    • 15:55area of prostate cancer, I
    • 15:57wanna talk about
    • 15:58this
    • 16:00new approach,
    • 16:02that involves focal therapy
    • 16:04or doing something less than
    • 16:06treating the entire prostate,
    • 16:09when a man has cancer.
    • 16:11And,
    • 16:12maybe you can just touch
    • 16:13on this and how long
    • 16:14it's been going on and
    • 16:17how focal therapy is done.
    • 16:20Sure. Thank you.
    • 16:21So
    • 16:22focal therapy is an
    • 16:25exciting new intervention. It's actually
    • 16:27not that new. There have
    • 16:28been ablation
    • 16:30therapies
    • 16:31for prostate cancer for decades.
    • 16:33So one of the early
    • 16:34ones was cryoablation
    • 16:35or using cold energy to
    • 16:38destroy prostate tissue.
    • 16:40Initially,
    • 16:41we were doing whole prostate
    • 16:43treatments with this approach. And
    • 16:45at that time, it did
    • 16:46have less of the impact on
    • 16:50urinary continents than prostatectomy, and
    • 16:52so it was used not
    • 16:54infrequently.
    • 16:55As we gained more information
    • 16:58using MRI to
    • 16:59be able to localize prostate
    • 17:01cancer within the prostate,
    • 17:03the idea of focal therapy
    • 17:05or treating just part of
    • 17:06the prostate where the cancer
    • 17:07is located
    • 17:11became of more interest. And
    • 17:12this is something you mentioned in
    • 17:14breast cancer. You do lumpectomy.
    • 17:15In kidney cancer, we remove
    • 17:17just the tumor. We don't
    • 17:18remove the whole organ necessarily,
    • 17:20anymore now that we
    • 17:22can localize where the cancer
    • 17:24is in
    • 17:25the gland or in the organ.
    • 17:28So focal therapy for prostate
    • 17:29cancer has evolved. I've personally
    • 17:31been doing that for almost
    • 17:32ten years, with a combination
    • 17:34of cryoablation
    • 17:35and irreversible
    • 17:37electroporation.
    • 17:37These are both needle based
    • 17:39technologies
    • 17:40where
    • 17:41we can see the prostate
    • 17:43with the MRI. We localize
    • 17:45it with a targeted biopsy.
    • 17:46We localize the cancer within
    • 17:48the prostate,
    • 17:49and then we can use
    • 17:50those images and information to
    • 17:51place needles into the prostate
    • 17:53in the area where the
    • 17:54cancer is located and really
    • 17:56destroy that prostate tissue.
    • 17:58By leaving the urethra,
    • 18:00leaving the other side of
    • 18:02the prostate alone,
    • 18:03even potentially leaving both nerve
    • 18:06bundles alone, we see much
    • 18:08better preservation of quality of
    • 18:10life in terms of sexual
    • 18:11function, urinary function.
    • 18:13Now
    • 18:13while I've been doing these
    • 18:15technologies for ten years, they
    • 18:16are not widely accepted or
    • 18:18widely done around the country.
    • 18:20The technologies are still considered
    • 18:22investigational in many areas, and
    • 18:25so we do this as
    • 18:26part of an IRB approved
    • 18:28research registry. We're still tracking
    • 18:31the outcomes.
    • 18:32We're making sure that it
    • 18:33is safe. We're making sure
    • 18:34that the cancer control
    • 18:36is adequate and appropriate.
    • 18:38So I think it is
    • 18:39very exciting, but it's
    • 18:40not something that I think
    • 18:42at this point, is appropriate
    • 18:44for just anyone to be doing.
    • 18:45And reading the tea
    • 18:47leaves, do you think that
    • 18:49this is something that will be
    • 18:52done more widely in another
    • 18:53five to ten years?
    • 18:55I believe it will. We
    • 18:56just had our
    • 18:58International American Urological
    • 18:59Association meeting.
    • 19:01It was presented as one
    • 19:03of the plenary
    • 19:04lectures, and there is definitely
    • 19:06growing interest.
    • 19:08Those of us who've been
    • 19:09doing it for a while
    • 19:10do think it is approaching
    • 19:11sort of what we call
    • 19:12primetime.
    • 19:13It is almost ready for
    • 19:15wider
    • 19:16distribution and dissemination
    • 19:17as the quality controls
    • 19:20are being better put into
    • 19:21place.
    • 19:22But just
    • 19:25an educated guess, this is
    • 19:27not something that is for
    • 19:28a patient who has
    • 19:30more locally advanced prostate cancer
    • 19:32or
    • 19:33maybe somebody who has a
    • 19:35more aggressive subtype of prostate
    • 19:37cancer?
    • 19:38You're absolutely right. I mean,
    • 19:39at this point,
    • 19:42this is not for everyone.
    • 19:43So an ablation therapy is
    • 19:44not for when there are
    • 19:45a lot of anatomic considerations
    • 19:47in addition to cancer aggressiveness
    • 19:49considerations.
    • 19:50We currently only recommend this
    • 19:52really for men with intermediate
    • 19:54risk prostate cancer. There is
    • 19:55not a role at this
    • 19:57time for
    • 19:58treating high risk disease, although
    • 20:00there are some clinical trials
    • 20:03evolving in those areas.
    • 20:05So even as part of
    • 20:06the research,
    • 20:07one has to be quite
    • 20:08selective.
    • 20:09That is correct.
    • 20:11Good.
    • 20:12And then finally,
    • 20:15there are still many men
    • 20:16who need to have their
    • 20:17prostate removed when diagnosed with
    • 20:20prostate cancer.
    • 20:22And sometimes an alternative is
    • 20:24radiation. How do you make
    • 20:25those decisions?
    • 20:27So radiation and surgery very
    • 20:29often are considered
    • 20:31to have pretty equivalent cancer
    • 20:33control.
    • 20:34So it largely is a
    • 20:35very personal decision of the
    • 20:37patient
    • 20:38and comparing the quality of
    • 20:39life impact of the different
    • 20:42treatment approaches.
    • 20:44It's a long discussion,
    • 20:46but in brief, we sort
    • 20:47of compare the impact on
    • 20:49urinary function, impact on sexual
    • 20:50function, the duration of treatment,
    • 20:52the recovery from treatment,
    • 20:55what are some of the
    • 20:55long term consequences that you
    • 20:57can expect from the treatment.
    • 20:58But it often is
    • 20:59focused on quality of life
    • 21:00factors,
    • 21:01since the cancer control is
    • 21:03relatively similar.
    • 21:06Well, we're gonna move
    • 21:08on and talk a little
    • 21:09bit about testicular cancer.
    • 21:12Testicular cancer,
    • 21:14unlike prostate cancer, which predominantly
    • 21:17is a disease in
    • 21:20middle aged or older men,
    • 21:21though it can occasionally happen
    • 21:23in people in their forties
    • 21:24and younger, but quite rarely.
    • 21:27Testicular cancer is quite different.
    • 21:30There
    • 21:31are under ten thousand cases
    • 21:33a year in the US,
    • 21:35and the average age is
    • 21:36thirty three.
    • 21:37So this is a cancer
    • 21:39of young men.
    • 21:41And,
    • 21:42maybe you can just
    • 21:44talk a little bit about
    • 21:47what often brings someone in
    • 21:49with a new diagnosis of
    • 21:51testicular cancer.
    • 21:52In general, there isn't a
    • 21:54lot of screening that goes on.
    • 21:56Correct. So there
    • 21:58is not a
    • 22:00systematic screening that is done
    • 22:02by a health care provider
    • 22:03typically, although
    • 22:05and that's largely because testicular
    • 22:07cancers,
    • 22:08when they do occur,
    • 22:09tend to be very
    • 22:11fast growing and present rather
    • 22:13quickly.
    • 22:14There is screening that can
    • 22:16be done. So young men
    • 22:17starting in their late teens
    • 22:19should do testicular
    • 22:20self exams probably on a
    • 22:22monthly basis.
    • 22:24And that is honestly how
    • 22:26men present. So it is
    • 22:27a new mass that they
    • 22:29feel in the testicle or
    • 22:31in their scrotum.
    • 22:32That is the most common
    • 22:34presentation.
    • 22:36And it can be picked
    • 22:37up early if someone is
    • 22:38doing a routine testicular self
    • 22:40exam. But I'm gonna guess
    • 22:42that most young men don't
    • 22:44do that routinely and that
    • 22:46when they find this, it's
    • 22:47just
    • 22:48almost an accident.
    • 22:51That is often the case.
    • 22:53Yes. And that's why we
    • 22:54attempt to
    • 22:57engage young men and pediatricians
    • 22:59to educate young men. And
    • 23:01there is
    • 23:02outreach on college campuses to
    • 23:04sort of tell guys
    • 23:06or instruct guys on how
    • 23:07to do a testicular self
    • 23:09exam. But you're correct. Most
    • 23:10often it is
    • 23:12something that it's hard to
    • 23:13miss and you note a
    • 23:15change in the testicle or on it.
    • 23:19And there are
    • 23:21a few different types of
    • 23:22prostate cancer,
    • 23:24some of which are
    • 23:26potentially more aggressive than others,
    • 23:29typically
    • 23:30divided as seminomas and non
    • 23:33seminomonas cancers.
    • 23:36Correct. Yeah. So testicular cancer
    • 23:38has two large subgroups and
    • 23:39there are other small subgroups.
    • 23:42Seminoma
    • 23:45is the most prevalent or
    • 23:47most common type of testicular
    • 23:48cancer, and then we cluster
    • 23:50a bunch of the others,
    • 23:52embryonal,
    • 23:54and others into yolk sac
    • 23:56into nonseminoma.
    • 23:58And that's because the prognosis
    • 23:59with seminoma is quite good.
    • 24:01The way that we treat
    • 24:02them are a little bit
    • 24:03different, but pure seminoma
    • 24:05is often cured just by
    • 24:07removal of the tumor alone.
    • 24:09Whereas non seminoma can
    • 24:12also often be cured by
    • 24:13that alone, but has a
    • 24:14slightly higher rate of
    • 24:15recurrence and needing additional treatment.
    • 24:19Testicular cancer, in truth, was
    • 24:21the
    • 24:22original
    • 24:23huge success in medical oncology.
    • 24:26It's the one tumor type,
    • 24:28albeit rare,
    • 24:30that
    • 24:31early studies with chemotherapy
    • 24:33demonstrated
    • 24:34that you could dramatically
    • 24:36increase the cure rate
    • 24:38with the use of chemotherapy
    • 24:40in these
    • 24:42germ cell tumors, the non
    • 24:44seminomonas cancers.
    • 24:46Correct. Yes.
    • 24:48Chemotherapy
    • 24:49use, especially in non seminoma,
    • 24:51because initially we use radiation
    • 24:53therapy for seminoma. That has
    • 24:56changed now. We now will
    • 24:57often use chemotherapy for seminoma
    • 24:59as well.
    • 25:01But, yes, it absolutely was
    • 25:02one of our great success
    • 25:05stories in in oncology, especially
    • 25:07because patients are young,
    • 25:09and we're able to have
    • 25:10very, very high treatment success
    • 25:13rates. I think the caveat
    • 25:15to that, I mean, it's
    • 25:16excellent that we're able to,
    • 25:18you know, save
    • 25:19many people and keep them
    • 25:20alive.
    • 25:22But
    • 25:23I still need to make
    • 25:23a plug for early detection
    • 25:25because when we find these ealry
    • 25:28and we can treat them
    • 25:29with surgery alone, we don't
    • 25:31have to give chemotherapy.
    • 25:32And the longer that we
    • 25:33wait, the worse the cancer
    • 25:35is, the more chemotherapy is
    • 25:36needed and the more chemotherapy,
    • 25:38again, the more side effects.
    • 25:40And especially in young men
    • 25:42who have a long time
    • 25:43to live after treatment,
    • 25:44we do unfortunately see that
    • 25:46secondary cancers and other problems
    • 25:48can develop when we have
    • 25:49to give more chemotherapy. So,
    • 25:52still is very important to
    • 25:53kind of if you hear
    • 25:55this, if you're a young
    • 25:56man, you know, testicular self
    • 25:58exam is something you could
    • 25:59do in the shower once
    • 25:59a month. It's not difficult.
    • 26:01Doesn't take much time.
    • 26:03And, it can definitely
    • 26:06you know, if God
    • 26:07forbid, something happened,
    • 26:09by detecting it
    • 26:10early, it can help prevent
    • 26:12a lot of
    • 26:13difficulty down the road. I
    • 26:15think it's a really important
    • 26:16message because the chemotherapy,
    • 26:19while
    • 26:19relatively
    • 26:20brief, meaning a few months,
    • 26:24is not for the faint
    • 26:25of heart.
    • 26:26And it's tough chemotherapy
    • 26:28and no one wants to
    • 26:30get it if they can
    • 26:31manage to avoid it.
    • 26:33And I think, you know,
    • 26:34the other message is
    • 26:36because
    • 26:37young people tend to sometimes
    • 26:39put things off is if
    • 26:40someone finds something, they need
    • 26:42to take action
    • 26:44and see their doctor
    • 26:46and not just wait until
    • 26:48it gets bigger and bigger.
    • 26:50Correct. And it's very easy
    • 26:51for us to do an
    • 26:52evaluation. So it's a quick
    • 26:53physical exam to see if
    • 26:54we feel something in the
    • 26:55testicle and then an ultrasound.
    • 26:57So it's a really noninvasive
    • 26:59initial diagnostic evaluation.
    • 27:02Yes.
    • 27:02Well, that's important.
    • 27:05And what are some of
    • 27:06the things that
    • 27:08can masquerade as testicular cancer?
    • 27:10So what other kinds of
    • 27:12lumps arise in the testis?
    • 27:14There can be a lot
    • 27:15of lumps and bumps in
    • 27:16the testis. So, you know,
    • 27:17very commonly there can be
    • 27:18a cyst, in the epididymis,
    • 27:20which is something that sits
    • 27:22right behind the testicle. You
    • 27:23can even have a cyst
    • 27:24in the testicle,
    • 27:27varicocele
    • 27:28sort of this bag of
    • 27:29worms feeling that people describe
    • 27:31as just a vein that's
    • 27:32in the scrotum.
    • 27:34So there are other things
    • 27:35that can definitely masquerade as
    • 27:37a testicular cancer,
    • 27:39but, again, all of those
    • 27:40can pretty easily be differentiated
    • 27:42with a scrotal ultrasound. So
    • 27:44if you feel something that's
    • 27:45abnormal,
    • 27:46just get it checked out.
    • 27:48And this is a situation
    • 27:49where you're not doing things
    • 27:51like focal ablative therapy. You're
    • 27:54doing surgery.
    • 27:55If someone has testicular cancer,
    • 27:57what does the surgery
    • 27:59involve?
    • 28:01So
    • 28:02the surgery for testicular cancer
    • 28:04is often
    • 28:06removal
    • 28:06of the involved testicle. So
    • 28:08a surgical removal of the
    • 28:09involved testicle.
    • 28:12Men have two
    • 28:14testicles typically,
    • 28:16and
    • 28:16so removing one does not
    • 28:18appear to change the
    • 28:21fertility risk or change
    • 28:23testosterone
    • 28:24levels.
    • 28:25So
    • 28:26if there is someone who
    • 28:27has only one testicle, we
    • 28:28will consider
    • 28:29doing a partial
    • 28:31orchiectomy, removing just the tumor,
    • 28:33but that's a very rare
    • 28:34occurrence.
    • 28:35Doctor Preston Sprenkle is an
    • 28:37associate professor of urology at
    • 28:39the Yale School of Medicine.
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